I was gonna post "how has life been" journal but an issue came up that needs to be addressed...
Sad topic is sad. But this has gone too far.
I tend not to write public-execution-type journals for both me and the person's sake, but unfortunately, I have to bring this issue to public due to various reasons which i'll be explaining them in a bit. But before I do, I ask people who are reading this to promise one thing: don't take this as a token to write nasty comments or try to confront this deviant - there is absolutely no point for any of you to go low, or spend time for useless effort. And if you're totally against with these type of journals, just don't read it alright... I don't need people trying to lecture me later what i've done is wrong/mean, it's none of my business, etc. I've done what I thought it needs to be done. Well then, now that the warning is set, let's move on to the point what this person has done and my reasoning why I had to go public.
So it all started few days ago... this certain deviant came to my attention. I've noticed that the chibi drawing on her profile looked extremely familiar to mine, and well, it turned out to be a trace of one of my old chibber drawing:
[link] <- Traced [link] <- Original (Bottom row, third from the left)
Well alright, it's small, and some portion has been changed - but still it's traced, and frankly I do not allow traces. (Btw, I've checked it with overlay and whatnots so I'm not claiming it without any concrete proof.) Now, some people might be like "wtf, this person is making such a big fuss over THIS?" Heh, well I know it's small, and I may be making a big fuss over this, but the thing is, this isn't the only point that i'm really upset about.
To generalize one of the points, her gallery was full of traced/copied works, and she has claimed them as her own. Here are the ones that we (victim artists) have managed to find:
Quite a collection huh. Few are gone since I didn't saved it. I'm sorry !gravilean (Formerly known as !GavilishAnarchy ), you may thought that deleting works and deactivating your account would have eliminated the proofs, but I knew you'd do this so I saved it all just in case that you tried to play innocent - which you are doing right now. I really can't tell if her other works are her original or not seeing all of this... but really, I have no trust in her. It might not be in my rights to speak for other artists, but I know they have been offended and insulted as much by what she have done, so I will speak.
All artists who got their work traced/stolen was informed, and all have tried confronting her via private note, including myself. But we were all ignored. We know she read it, but she has chosen to ignore. Not a single apology when a simple "sorry" and explaination has sufficed. We could have all forgiven and moved on with our lives, except she has done even more wrong moves. One of the artist who sent her a note has been harassed by her "friends" with ridiculous reasoning ever. I'd like to ask people this: if you don't write "do not use" type of statement in your artist comment, it is in your right to freely rip it off and use it? Are you fucking kidding me? You're on an art community site and you think this kind of bullshit reasoning is legit? Please leave, and come back once you learned "basic ethiquette amongst artists"....
What made this worse was that she has tried making profit out of other people's hard work: for example, now it's gone but she had commissions opened for pixel icons using ~HazelRuko's base - it's been confirmed that she didn't even asked for any permission.
After the private note was sent, within few hours she posted a journal saying she will leave dA. Okay, so she decided to flee - insincerity thing to do, but alright, we see that she just want us to magically forget what happened. Or I don't know, maybe she didn't want her watchers to know what she's been doing, seeing from flagging !melodeiia's comments as spam when she has wrote nothing wrong. But really. If you really had just left, this might have been over but no. Posting a journal stating that you're leaving dA without any explainations was lame enough, but what did you do? YOU JUST CREATED A NEW ACCOUNT ON THE VERY SAME DAY YOU POSTED THAT JOURNAL. You're so full of lies.
Now this is the part that completely offended me. On her new account profile, I found that she just continued using the chibi I told her to take it down. [link] (Screenshot, because I'd knew she's gonna change after knowing I have been keeping an eye on her new account. So yeah, you can't lie about it.) ...... I mean, wow.... really? After all this she still have the guts to post/use works that was accused for tracing?? I'm pretty damn sure I wrote it clear that she traced, and she took it down from her old account as soon as she read my note so I know she understood what I said... I was stupid, for thinking even for a bit that she had a heart and brain to understand what was done wrong. Oh yes, and there she posted another work there that was a complete ripped off work by !melodeiia too: [link] Say hi to the original: [link]
I have came to conclusion that this person didn't learn - or perhaps, she doesn't want to learn. She has disrespect us people whom she traced/stole, never apologized (not even a single "sorry"), ignored, and continues to use what we have told her to take down. I think we handled this maturely so far, but I'm just gonna screw that now and voice this out.
I would like to address this to the "deviant" (I won't call her an "artist" because she doesn't deserve to be called as one), because i'm pretty damn sure you're reading this.
Seeing that you don't want to talk to us privately, i'll do this publicly. I don't really care "why" you traced. I know and understand that we have moments in our life when we want to take easy way. If this was referenced, there wasn't a problem. But please, enlighten us with your reason of CONTINUING DOING THIS WHEN WE HAVE DIRECTLY TOLD YOU TO STOP IT. Is this on purpose? Are you taunting us? Or did you think that starting fresh in your new account can keep you away from being busted? You seriously thought that you did so good at running away that we won't be able to find you? We weren't gonna bite your head off for confessing traces, if you apologized along with it. Too late now, we gave you a chance to settle this privately and nicely as possible... you have chosen yourself to do otherwise. On the side note, I'd like to ask you a quesiton that's nothing to do with this... Why do you even tag my username on some of your pixel works....
You're busted, really. We've tried to confront you privately but you've ignored our notes. We know you read it, and know that you weren't busy at all to reply us because you were spending time modifying your new account. And instead of replying yourself, you've set your friends to harass one of the artist. Can't you speak for yourself? You have made your friends look bad too you know. oh yes, and you once wrote a journal post about callout to a tracer: [link] Me and other artists know that you do understand what "tracing" is and that it's bad - this contradiction is rather funny. Also, this is personal but I need to address to your commission journal. I've noticed that you've copied my commission journal description too, which is alright I think, but everything that I wrote on there that I said NOT to do, you've done it yourself. Don't write rules that you can't follow yourself.
I've also decided to go public on this because I certainly don't want you to think that you can just get away with all this now that you have dissed us this far. Also, i'm doing this so that at least some people here on dA community will know and will keep eyes on you - hopefully it will prevent you from doing shit like this ever again (if you continue to stay here). I'm assuming reporting is pointless at this point since she has deactivated the other account with all the proofs... but if anyone knows if reporting can still be possible, let me know.
Enough said.
[Edit] - More traces ._.
([link] Group icon, taken from that has been created by
[Edit2] - Hah, she decided to run again. Predictable. Just by doing that you're emphasizing the fact that you DO know that you're guilty yet refusing to accept the fact that you're being proved wrong. Keeping silent isn't gonna help you.
I do know that type like you will come back in a while hoping people would have forgotten what you have done. But I will tell you this - I don't trust you. Probably never will after all this. And if I ever find out you created a new account, I will let people know so that you can't try to do this again or get away with all this shit. You're going to face the consequences.
But I do hope that you will learn while you're gone. Once you can accept what you have done yourself, you've become a better person.
[Edit3] - Another traced work info: Taken: [link] Original: [link][link] "AMG I AM A PROOOOOOO" <- at taking other people's works, sure. All right's reserved my ass....
I'm not taking any sides and I'm not saying what this person did was right but in their defense, maybe they are trying to find their own art style. I know a lot of people who started off tracing other works in order to get the feel of proportions on a figure. I, myself, am able to look at a picture and draw it out almost identically. I don't think I'm that great of an artist, otherwise, at least, where drawing is concerned. Honestly, if someone were "tracing" or copying or using my art as a reference for their own art, I'd feel very flattered. I'd be stoked, even, just because I don't get that kind of attention. I'm sure once someone gets past the number of fans they've made and knows their art is awesome, having that kind of attention would be bothersome and you'd feel cheated and ripped off by something you created all because someone potentially stole it, so to speak. There are professional jobs with people who can do that kind of thing, though, like anime; it's not the manga artist who draws out their characters when an anime character is created. They have other people who can copy their art form to do it. And as far as I saw from all the links of copies and originals, Gravilean's weren't exactly the same, I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong but if you alter a picture slightly or make some sort of change to it, big or small, aren't you allowed to claim it as your own? Technically, it isn't tracing. Now, on the other hand, she should have at least put where she got her inspiration from on the pictures and gave you guys credit for coming up with the ideas. I don't think she's right but I don't think she's wrong either. That's just my view on it, though.
I've been redraw others artwork on paper for practice when im in secondary school. Still, I don't think that redraw stuffs r my artwork or production. So i din really upload them if there's no permission of the artist or giv them a credit. Even in reality, I'v met people who gets a drawing from friend as a gift but then that person claim that drawing is draw by own to others.
o.o Dang. I used to do horse drawings for people in real life, but then I found out some people were just tracing it and then posting it on some random sites and giving it to others, so I stopped doing it. I still can't believe someone would do something like this. It's better to face your mistakes like a soldier than stand back and run away like a coward. The internet is a large and scary place. Every twist and turn leads to a dead end eventually; you can't hide, you can't run. The person will have to confess eventually, even if the truth has to slide out unwillingly.
I really hate it when other people takes things that not theirs & use it for themselves, It's not right!... When I look at other people artworks I sometimes look at the expressions, poses & others things, I even look at artbooks to help me draw better... It really helps!
well.... it might not be traced. cause it is traced, very depressing lines will be visible. some people refer to other people's drawings to improve. so it doesnt mean that all of those copy things with no reason. my art teacher said 'no tracing and no copying, but referring is fine.' He said that refer to other people's work is the best way to improve
She could have replied and claimed they were just referenced if that was the case - but she has admitted that it was. And i'm not bluntly claiming them as traces without checking - if you overlay the pictures it's clear that majority of the parts are exactly the same. Especially with the pixels - it's easy just by seeing that it is the same.
Anyways, I understand your points and your teacher's teaching. But you're missing the point of this whole journal - I'm not talking about referencing here. I'm here to give out warnings to people (especially my watchers) about this certain deviant, and ranting about her unacceptable behavior.
On the side note, I've taken a look in your gallery and I've noticed that you're using "renders" of someone else's work. I hope you do know that renders are made by people who just rip off other artist's work from the internet, taking out the background, and posting on their galleries claiming as "their own work" and giving out permissions to let others use it demanding for "credits". Renders are not free to use materials. If you're going to use a fanart of something, you gotta get the permission of the actual person who drew that - if you didn't that's same as stealing. So please go find the original artists of the works that you're using and get a permission, or delete them from your gallery if you don't want people reporting you.
I was gonna post "how has life been" journal but an issue came up that needs to be addressed...
Sad topic is sad. But this has gone too far.
I tend not to write public-execution-type journals for both me and the person's sake, but unfortunately, I have to bring this issue to public due to various reasons which i'll be explaining them in a bit. But before I do, I ask people who are reading this to promise one thing: don't take this as a token to write nasty comments or try to confront this deviant - there is absolutely no point for any of you to go low, or spend time for useless effort. And if you're totally against with these type of journals, just don't read it alright... I don't need people trying to lecture me later what i've done is wrong/mean, it's none of my business, etc. I've done what I thought it needs to be done.
Well then, now that the warning is set, let's move on to the point what this person has done and my reasoning why I had to go public.
So it all started few days ago... this certain deviant came to my attention.
I've noticed that the chibi drawing on her profile looked extremely familiar to mine, and well, it turned out to be a trace of one of my old chibber drawing:
[link] <- Traced
[link] <- Original (Bottom row, third from the left)
Well alright, it's small, and some portion has been changed - but still it's traced, and frankly I do not allow traces. (Btw, I've checked it with overlay and whatnots so I'm not claiming it without any concrete proof.)
Now, some people might be like "wtf, this person is making such a big fuss over THIS?"
Heh, well I know it's small, and I may be making a big fuss over this, but the thing is, this isn't the only point that i'm really upset about.
To generalize one of the points, her gallery was full of traced/copied works, and she has claimed them as her own. Here are the ones that we (victim artists) have managed to find:
Taken:
[link] [link]
Original:
[link]
Taken:
[link]
Original:
[link]
(trying to sell someone's work huh.)
Taken:
[link]
Original:
[link]
Taken:
[link]
Original:
[link]
Taken:
[link]
Original:
[link]
Quite a collection huh. Few are gone since I didn't saved it.
I'm sorry !gravilean (Formerly known as !GavilishAnarchy
), you may thought that deleting works and deactivating your account would have eliminated the proofs, but I knew you'd do this so I saved it all just in case that you tried to play innocent - which you are doing right now.
I really can't tell if her other works are her original or not seeing all of this... but really, I have no trust in her.
It might not be in my rights to speak for other artists, but I know they have been offended and insulted as much by what she have done, so I will speak.
All artists who got their work traced/stolen was informed, and all have tried confronting her via private note, including myself. But we were all ignored. We know she read it, but she has chosen to ignore. Not a single apology when a simple "sorry" and explaination has sufficed. We could have all forgiven and moved on with our lives, except she has done even more wrong moves. One of the artist who sent her a note has been harassed by her "friends" with ridiculous reasoning ever. I'd like to ask people this: if you don't write "do not use" type of statement in your artist comment, it is in your right to freely rip it off and use it? Are you fucking kidding me? You're on an art community site and you think this kind of bullshit reasoning is legit? Please leave, and come back once you learned "basic ethiquette amongst artists"....
What made this worse was that she has tried making profit out of other people's hard work: for example, now it's gone but she had commissions opened for pixel icons using ~HazelRuko's base - it's been confirmed that she didn't even asked for any permission.
After the private note was sent, within few hours she posted a journal saying she will leave dA. Okay, so she decided to flee - insincerity thing to do, but alright, we see that she just want us to magically forget what happened. Or I don't know, maybe she didn't want her watchers to know what she's been doing, seeing from flagging !melodeiia's comments as spam when she has wrote nothing wrong. But really. If you really had just left, this might have been over but no. Posting a journal stating that you're leaving dA without any explainations was lame enough, but what did you do? YOU JUST CREATED A NEW ACCOUNT ON THE VERY SAME DAY YOU POSTED THAT JOURNAL. You're so full of lies.
Now this is the part that completely offended me. On her new account profile, I found that she just continued using the chibi I told her to take it down.
[link]
(Screenshot, because I'd knew she's gonna change after knowing I have been keeping an eye on her new account. So yeah, you can't lie about it.)
......
Oh yes, and there she posted another work there that was a complete ripped off work by !melodeiia too:
[link]
Say hi to the original:
[link]
I have came to conclusion that this person didn't learn - or perhaps, she doesn't want to learn. She has disrespect us people whom she traced/stole, never apologized (not even a single "sorry"), ignored, and continues to use what we have told her to take down. I think we handled this maturely so far, but I'm just gonna screw that now and voice this out.
I would like to address this to the "deviant" (I won't call her an "artist" because she doesn't deserve to be called as one), because i'm pretty damn sure you're reading this.
Seeing that you don't want to talk to us privately, i'll do this publicly.
I don't really care "why" you traced. I know and understand that we have moments in our life when we want to take easy way. If this was referenced, there wasn't a problem. But please, enlighten us with your reason of CONTINUING DOING THIS WHEN WE HAVE DIRECTLY TOLD YOU TO STOP IT. Is this on purpose? Are you taunting us? Or did you think that starting fresh in your new account can keep you away from being busted? You seriously thought that you did so good at running away that we won't be able to find you? We weren't gonna bite your head off for confessing traces, if you apologized along with it. Too late now, we gave you a chance to settle this privately and nicely as possible... you have chosen yourself to do otherwise.
On the side note, I'd like to ask you a quesiton that's nothing to do with this... Why do you even tag my username on some of your pixel works....
You're busted, really. We've tried to confront you privately but you've ignored our notes. We know you read it, and know that you weren't busy at all to reply us because you were spending time modifying your new account. And instead of replying yourself, you've set your friends to harass one of the artist. Can't you speak for yourself? You have made your friends look bad too you know. oh yes, and you once wrote a journal post about callout to a tracer: [link]
Me and other artists know that you do understand what "tracing" is and that it's bad - this contradiction is rather funny.
Also, this is personal but I need to address to your commission journal. I've noticed that you've copied my commission journal description too, which is alright I think, but everything that I wrote on there that I said NOT to do, you've done it yourself. Don't write rules that you can't follow yourself.
I've also decided to go public on this because I certainly don't want you to think that you can just get away with all this now that you have dissed us this far. Also, i'm doing this so that at least some people here on dA community will know and will keep eyes on you - hopefully it will prevent you from doing shit like this ever again (if you continue to stay here). I'm assuming reporting is pointless at this point since she has deactivated the other account with all the proofs... but if anyone knows if reporting can still be possible, let me know.
Enough said.
[Edit] - More traces ._.
[Edit2] -
Hah, she decided to run again. Predictable. Just by doing that you're emphasizing the fact that you DO know that you're guilty yet refusing to accept the fact that you're being proved wrong. Keeping silent isn't gonna help you.
I do know that type like you will come back in a while hoping people would have forgotten what you have done. But I will tell you this - I don't trust you. Probably never will after all this. And if I ever find out you created a new account, I will let people know so that you can't try to do this again or get away with all this shit. You're going to face the consequences.
But I do hope that you will learn while you're gone. Once you can accept what you have done yourself, you've become a better person.
[Edit3] - Another traced work info:
Taken: [link]
Original: [link] [link]
"AMG I AM A PROOOOOOO" <- at taking other people's works, sure.
All right's reserved my ass....